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Callum

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Mobile phone backup
« on: November 01, 2012, 08:50:57 AM »
A while ago I posted about items that I and my colleagues carry as backup, one of these was an old mobile phone, with a lithium battery, a PAYG SIM card, and there was a discussion about how long these SIM cards remain active when not in use. Neither of the service providers (Virgin & Tesco mobile) was forthcoming in telling us how long their PAYG SIMs remained active when not in use.

We have two mobile phones which have for various reasons remained in a cupboard and not switched on since January 18 2012 (9 months 2 weeks to date). Both were activated this morning and both still held battery charge.

The VIRGIN PAYG SIM still had credit and functioned perfectly.
The Tesco PAYG SIM failed to register with the network.

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Re: Mobile phone backup
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2012, 12:54:51 PM »
Great info Cal.

I always carry an old Nokia 8210e that happens to have a Virgin PAYG SIM, sealed, inside a Sainsbury’s waterproof plastic box, and for safety, recharge the battery every 90 days, and at the same time initiate with the network, so it’s reassuring to know the network remains available after a considerable period of time.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2013, 02:10:49 PM by Lyle Brotherton »
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Re: Mobile phone backup
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2012, 12:14:05 PM »
Looked on EBay for the Nokia 8210e and what a gem, for £10 you can buy one, complete with battery, small portable and reliable – one ordered for our back UP PACK. Thanks for the posting Cal  ;)
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Re: Mobile phone backup
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2012, 12:32:45 PM »
Pete, did not realise they were so cheap. The one I have was from a previous contract. Because they are such good value, I am going to standardise them across our backup kits, with the advantages of sharing the same contact details in each phone, and in an emergency, the user is not trying to figure out how the phone works.

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Re: Mobile phone backup
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2012, 09:36:53 AM »
This weekend I pulled out my winter rucksack to check its contents, including spare gloves, socks etc., and also my spare mobile phone to charge its battery. The phone is only  100 x 45 x 25mm and negligible weight (79g), and it also has a rechargeable Li-ion battery, this would be my first choice if I was buying a backup mobile phone for the first time. Looking on eBay they range between £10-20, including charger and battery.

Note: Rechargeable Li-ion batteries have a cycle life – the finite number of times they can be recharged before no longer functioning correctly – and personally I would replace the battery of a second hand phone.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2013, 02:12:38 PM by Lyle Brotherton »
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Re: Mobile phone backup
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2012, 01:41:47 PM »
Hi,  I'm a newbie first post so I hope this helps.  A spare mobile sounds a good idea.

I would always find I'd be called out onto the hill just when a) my tea was ready and b) my iphone battery said 3% remaining.  So I recently bought a morphie juice pack pro which is a waterproof and knockproof (ish) case and battery. It makes the phone pretty big and heavy but I can charge my phone when in the protective case as it has a built in battery.  It charges back to 100% and keeps it there.  I've not tested it a lot but it seems to do an evening, night and into the following morning OK.

So will do an overnight search or two day wild camping trip and keep the phone charged (depending on use of course), but I've used my iPhone 4gs overnight for the essentials - calls, texting jokes to mates, saying good night to the wife and as a sat nav (viewranger or memory map).  It was expensive as I got it by emailing the company direct and had Fedex charges and taxes making it around £150.

Then Apple change the plug on the iPhone 5.  hey ho.  Anyway now I just need to remember to leave the morphie fully charged  in my rucksack...easier said than done with my memory.  all the best

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Re: Mobile phone backup
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2012, 02:52:57 PM »
Hi Paul and welcome :)

The increasing problem of battery life with all smartphones. Early reports for the new iPhone 5 is that it has a poorer battery life than its predecessor, the iPhone 4s. Similarly, the new android platform, Jelly Bean, run on phones such as the Galaxy S3, has many users claiming greater power drain than on its predecessor, the Ice Cream platform.

The marketing bumf Apple put out with the iPhone 4 was 300 hours of life, on further investigation this was for a phone kept in standby, without making any calls or running any applications and kept at a constant temperature of 20°C. In reality I average around 25-30 hrs. Whilst Kate manages nearer 35-40 hrs. mainly because I use the more resource-intensive features such as video and satnav that really drain the battery, in video mode it has been down to 4 hrs.

Other than Paul’s charger, and I am looking forward to hearing how you get on with it Paul, the best option is to try and improve battery life. Apple recommends several usage behaviours to maximize the battery life of an iPhone, and after reading various apple forums these are the measure I employed, they increased my battery life by around 20%

* Keep the phone as near as possible to room temperature, and avoid exposing it to extreme heat or cold; personally I keep in an inside pocket of my fleece when walking.
* Turn off satnav, email auto-check, Bluetooth and other networking features when not in use.
* When out of coverage areas, place the iPhone in Airplane Mode to stop the device from constantly searching for signal.
* Use the dimmest available screen brightness, or use the Auto-Brightness setting.
* Keep the iPhone locked when not in use to turn off the screen.

Lyle wrote: Note: Rechargeable Li-ion batteries have a cycle life – the finite number of times they can be recharged before no longer functioning correctly – and personally I would replace the battery of a second hand phone.

Apple’s bumf again states an iPhone battery to still retain approximately 80% of its original capacity after 400 recharging cycles – the more recharge cycles the greater the reduction in capacity. Yet like their battery life claims many net reports are around half that figure with batteries needing replacing at 600 cycles (the number of times the battery is recharged to full capacity). As with all Lion rechargeable batteries, to minimize the capacity loss, fully drain and recharge the battery at least once every month.

Apple provides a replacement program for batteries that no longer hold a satisfactory charge. For iPhones still under warranty, Apple will replace the battery if it no longer holds 50% of its original charge. Apple performs out-of-warranty replacements for a fee. Other companies also offer battery replacement and do-it-yourself kits, but note using these services will void the iPhone's warranty.
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Re: Mobile phone backup
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2012, 07:20:49 PM »
LiIon batteries degrade with charge cycles and time; from the moment they're made, their capacity starts to fall.

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Re: Mobile phone backup
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2012, 09:22:18 AM »
Pete, great advice and I would add:

* Carry a back up battery for either you regular mobile or backup mobile.

I have just started to use the Samsung Galaxy S3, and one of the important criteria for me was that I could easily exchange the battery in it; It is a remarkable smartphone:)
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Re: Mobile phone backup
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2012, 07:40:37 PM »
This might be of interest for some

http://spareone.com/why-spareone-emergency-phone.php#emergency

If it is of use you will need to get the correct one that works on 900/1800 Mhz

See this link to see whichone you would need

http://spareone.com/gsm-map.php

They are available from Amazon UK

http://www.amazon.co.uk/SPARE-ONE-EMERGENCY-MOBILE-PHONE/dp/B007ILCQ8I
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2012, 01:31:25 PM »
Thx for the link Adi  ;)

Seems like the manufacturers started with a neat ideas that then went Pete Tong, being neither waterproof nor dustproof. Also, the casing is not ruggedized, nor is the screen, and it seems the biggest selling points are 15 years battery life and a light. The battery is an Energizer AA "Ultimate Lithium" Battery, and most mobiles, even old models, can provide quite good light on their screens.

Maybe a better buy would be Rolson 42982 Emergency Mobile Phone Charger. At £4.20 on Amazon it’s a snip, plus you can put in an Energizer AA "Ultimate Lithium" Battery, that maintains power for up to 15 years before you need to replace the battery.

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Re: Mobile phone backup
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2012, 02:59:32 PM »
I have not seen the Rolson 42982 Emergency Mobile Phone Chargerone, it seems to be a brilliant little gadget, and as you say Cal, at a snip. Have you bought one and tested it yet?
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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2012, 10:05:16 PM »
Call there is no screen and because it is a simple phone there is a lot less to go wrong and more survivable to splashes and dust but I agree it is a shame that it does not have a sealed body.
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Re: Mobile phone backup
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2012, 09:11:37 AM »
Pete, great advice and I would add:

* Carry a back up battery for either you regular mobile or backup mobile.

I have just started to use the Samsung Galaxy S3, and one of the important criteria for me was that I could easily exchange the battery in it; It is a remarkable smartphone:)

Likewise Lyle. I bought a Sony Ericsson Live smartphone. To be honest I think the battery life is awful, but at least I can change the battery. I keep my old contract phone as a spare. I have a few fully charged spare batteries for it, so no worries on that score.

By the way 3 SIMs operate for a LONG time with no credit. I've given another old phone to my 9 year old daughter so we can contact her when she is at her friends house. In all the time she's had it it's never needed credit to maintain operability. 8)
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