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Re: First-Aid Emergency Kit
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2012, 03:28:57 PM »
Good to see you back Adi and glad all going well. Anywhere sunny 8)

Do you keep all these fire-lighting items together, and if so, whereabouts (Rucksack, pocket)
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Re: First-Aid Emergency Kit
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2012, 06:05:34 PM »
And welcome back from me, too, Adi.

Callum, I spread my fire-lighting stuff around.  I always carry a couple of vaseline cotton balls and a firesteel in a pocket.  I keep a bigger stash of petroleum jelly-saturated cotton balls and a second fire steel in the side pocket of my pack, and another set deep within my pack, with my cooking stuff.

I keep 2 sheets of that heavy duty aluminum foil I mentioned above, too:  One in my pack's side pocket, the other deep in my pack.

I carry a lighter or two as well, which I could employ if I had the use of only one hand.  Otherwise, I'm strictly a firesteel kind of guy.

By the way . . . I've found that the Rutland Fire Squares are almost as good as cotton balls for starting a fire, and they're a lot less messy.  http://tinyurl.com/c8km9se 

They start well with a firesteel, as long as you roughen up a surface or edge so as to create hairlike filaments (like you do with cotton balls for quick starts).

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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2012, 07:14:04 PM »
You can also use the rubber of car tyre, small cuts, burns good and long, can not dry out or get damaged. You do not a proper flame to set it on fire of course, a simple spark will not suffice.
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« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2012, 07:25:27 PM »
Looks very nice the exotac equipment, they really made fire (survival context) into their business.
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Re: First-Aid Emergency Kit
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2012, 01:10:07 AM »
Cheers guys

No I spread my emergency fire lighting kit around my kit and person.
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Re: First-Aid Emergency Kit
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2012, 08:18:36 AM »
I used to only carry a lighter, for my stove and lighting a camp fire – this most popular event in expeditions with the youngsters, and yes Adi, it really pumps up their moral as we talk around the campfire. Like all gadgets, it has occasionally let me down, usually when I have forgotten the gas was getting low ::)

I paid £14 on Amazon for the Swedish Army Firesteel and as soaked some cotton balls – that my wife buys to remove her make-up – and tried the system out this week. It is very impressive and soon the youngsters were all eager to try, more cotton balls needed next trip ;)

Great advice guys - thanks :)

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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2012, 11:21:19 AM »
Callum 

If the kids enjoyed the cotton wool ball fire lighting try using wire wool and a spark from your firesteel or passing a current through it using a couple of batteries. They will be amazed that wire wool can burn - I know I am  ;D

I know everyone on here appreciates the risks but I suppose I must add the caveat about being careful with fire lighting - you don't want them trying this in inappropriate places.

a bit of topic so apologies everyone.  ;)

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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2012, 11:44:13 AM »
LOL Callum the kids love it, I have had 4 year olds through to 90 year olds and they all love it. A fire steel offers so many advantages over a flame method of lighting a fire. A fire steel allows you to place the sparks exactly were you want them, without being effected by the wind.

When lighting a fire in wind with a flame it can be blown out, wind is its enemy but when using sparks with most natural tinders you need to introduce wind to blow the spark into flame, wind becomes an integral part of the process.

I would normally use flint and steel with char cloth as the tinder but you have to manufacture the char cloth, it is also vulnerable to moisture, The Fire steel and cotton wool has pretty much replaced flint and steel.

If lighting a fire using natural tinder it must be made up of material of a match stick thick or thinner. When people use natural tinder they normally use far to little we want to aiming for a bundle the thickness of two hand spans. From there we want to introduce the kindling of material of around pencil thickness and build up from there to you fuel. One mistake people make when their fuel is damp, they pile it on and the moister takes away the energy of the flame to cook off the moisture. This kills the fire out and you get frustrated. Make shore your tinder is bone dry and if you have damp kindling and fuel then strip of the bark, this is were most of the moister will be found.

So where do you find these magical, almost mythical materials? Well the best place is from inside a wood, for the tinder and kindling look up into the lower branches of the trees and you will find wind blown twigs balanced on the branches, these have been air dried and are perfect, even when it is wet once the bark has been stripped off you will find the wood inside is perfect. Your larger fuel should be free standing dead wood which are trees that have died band stayed vertical. If you cant find these you will be able to find trees and branches that have been blow down but arnt on the ground. You never really want to take wood from the ground unless you have a well established hot fire that has enough energy to cook off the moister.

I just found my old ImageShack account and this image of my old fire lighting kit, this is going back around 10 or 12 years.


Another old image with my trusty flint and steel, char cloth, jute coal extender and pitch pine along with my ever faithful Puukko knife and reindeer leather work gloves. As used by me on many loan trips to the boreal forest across Eurasia.



Image of me doing friction by fire



and here I am blowing the coal from the fire bow into flame with the tinder, the guy in the background used to teach this almost every weekend for two years so we had competitions to see who could do it the fastest or with the least tinder. Adults and kids reactions where the the same pure amazement.



If you can't find tinder and kindling you can split your fuel down and make your own in the form of feather sticks. In the Canadian wilderness we would have competitions to see who could process a fire from just a tree trunk each. Part of the trunk would be turned into feather sticks. Then you would process some down to kindling ranging from pencil thickness to around an inch in diameter and the rest as logs. using only a knife and a small forest axe and wooden wedge's we made from the trunk too. 



When you have mastered fire there is no excuse but to survive in comfort and eat hot food.



Roast chicken anyone



What ever the environment



or the cooking method

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Re: First-Aid Emergency Kit
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2012, 05:27:52 PM »
Phil - Intrigued by your wire wool fire, is it pre-soaked in petroleum jelly?

Adi – The photos, especially the bottom one looks like a still from a John Wayne film ;) A few years ago I got a Leatherman for Christmas but find my fixed blade, horn handle Windsor knife much more practical and sturdy, especially for whittling. Also, interesting that you are using leather gloves, for a while I was using some designer leather faced (palms only) rope gloves, North Face I think, and have gone back to reindeer leather gloves, which I find unbeatable.

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Re: First-Aid Emergency Kit
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2012, 05:53:17 PM »
Get some 000 wire wool and touch a 9 volt battery to it. Or strike a fire steel to it. No petroleum jelly is needed.

The second to last image is me in my jungle shelter the kit you can see on my bed is all the kit I have. A machete, a fire steel, a water bottle, iodine for water purification and a first aid kit. Those are the only things you need to survive in the Jungle well the fire steel, machete and the water bottle anyway.
"We do not belong to those who only get their thought from books, or at the prompting of books - it is our custom to think in the open air, walking, leaping, climbing or dancing, of lonesome mountains by preference, or close to the sea, where even the paths become thoughtful." Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: First-Aid Emergency Kit
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2012, 06:03:30 PM »
nice  feather sticks, it is not that easy :-)
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2012, 06:12:39 PM »
Thank you  ;)
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Re: First-Aid Emergency Kit
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2012, 08:49:08 PM »
Adi, this is really good stuff.  I've never seen an oven like that, but it sure makes sense.  I just keep learning.  Thanks for sharing.

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« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2012, 12:47:49 PM »
Quite coincidently, we were in Keswick yesterday & found a new “Nordic” shop, a stones throw from George Fishers, that had quite a selection of hand axes, knives & firelighters etc.  Its the first time I’ve seen a high resin wood stick, similar to the one in Adis 2nd photo, & they even let my son try lighting some of its shavings using flint & steel (he needs more practice, but lucky for me, my attempt was fire at second strike so I still rate in the Dad stakes!)
…...we spent so long in there (mainly Ciarán (not yet 11) discussing the merits of high carbon vs stainless steel knives), we didn’t make it to Fishers!

He's hooked!
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Re: First-Aid Emergency Kit
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2014, 11:31:35 AM »
We have been carrying a Boots First Aid kit in our rucksack for quite a while and did not give it a second thought until I sustained some quite deep cuts from some old discarded barbed wire, which got wrapped around my leg. The wire proved very difficult to unravel, with the rusted barbs embedded into my outer clothing, so some pliers, like those on the multi-tool you pack Lyle would have been very useful. When we finally got the stuff off, our first aid pack contained no antiseptic wash and the Savalon liquid would have been perfect for this. Is there a pack, ready made up like the one Lyle describes, which you can buy that anyone knows of?